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NYS SAFE ACT 2?
« on: October 11, 2018, 08:53:09 AM »
Cuomo To Sign SAFE ACT 2 Into Law If He Gets Reelected
If Governor Cuomo is reelected the framework is all ready in place for passage of SAFE ACT 2.  While the Cuomo administration is hesitant to refer to it under that name during an election cycle, it will still be one of the first things he does upon his new term even if he has to manipulate the legislative process again in order to ram it through.
Here are the 10 key points of SAFE ACT 2 that will punish law abiding citizens, legal businesses and in general diminish the sparse amount of liberty that remains in the increasingly appropriate named “Empire State”.  My commentary italicized.
1. Safe Storage – Requires that weapons be stored with a safety locking device or in a safe storage depository when left outside the immediate possession or control of the owner or other lawful possessor.  Failure to do so will result in a Class A misdemeanor.  This includes houses without children and as such only serves to delay the ability to defend yourself against home invaders.
2. Microstamping –  Requires all semiautomatic pistols manufactured or delivered to any licensed dealer in NYS to be capable of producing a unique alpha-numeric or geometric code on at least two locations on each cartridge case expended from such pistol.  Class D felony if you “willfully” deface microstamping component. The problems with this are many.  First the technology is not practical (read: it doesn’t work) and as such this is akin to requiring firearms to shoot pixie dust, since it can’t it would make all guns illegal.  Secondly, like most gun control measures, criminals who are using guns to commit felonies are just going to ignore this.  Thirdly the cost of retrofitting all the guns in New York would unfairly fall on the citizen.  Finally, even if the technology WAS viable, and criminals DID follow it, all they would have to do is use a revolver and make sure to destroy the shells later.
3. Fifty Caliber Ban – Bans the possession, sale or transfer of 50-Caliber or larger weapons.  Permits grandfathering so long as they are then registered, a repeat of the Assault Weapson Ban from SAFE ACT 1.
4. Gun Dealer Insurance – Requires the imposition of restrictive business practices, recordkeeping and reporting for lawful gun dealers including requiring that every dealer carry insurance coverage against liability (at least $1 million per incident) for damage to property and for injury or death of any person resulting from the sale, delivery, lease, or transfer of a firearm, rifle or shotgun.  On top of being a ridiculous punitive measure against firearm businesses, the costs will ultimately fall on the law abiding consumer.
5. Prohibits the sale or transfer in NY of guns that are not child proof – Prohibits the sale or transfer of a “child operated firearm” to another person.  Defines “child operated firearm” as a pistol or revolver which does not contain a childproofing device, which would prevent an average five-year-old from operating it. This one is so amorphous that is shouldn’t even be considered law.  No doubt gun controllers would use a 5 year old prodigy that could unravel the Gordian Knot.
6. 30 Day Limit on Gun Purchases –  – Prohibits a person from purchasing more than one firearm from a dealer within a 30-day- period.  Prohibits a dealer from selling or transferring a firearm to a person who has purchased or taken possession of a firearm within the previous 30 days.  Requires dealers to request approval for sale from the Division of Criminal Justice Services.  Class A misdemeanor.  Why can’t I exercise my right as freely as I desire?  This is like saying one can only pray on Sundays, or limiting the number of newspapers a person can read in a day.  On top of the civil rights violations, the added logjam for businesses will slow commerce, raise prices and once again the law abiding consumer is left footing the bill.
7. 10 Day Waiting Period on Gun Purchases – Prohibits a person from taking possession of any firearm from a dealer unless 10 days have elapsed from the date the dealer initiated the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) background check of the purchaser and has received notice that the purchaser has passed all background checks required by federal, state and local law.  Violators would be subject to class A misdemeanor. For victims of violent rape and murders who could have used a gun to stop their attacker, I doubt they appreciate the 10 days that cost them their lives.  This notion of a “cooling off” period is more gun controller tripe used to engender fear in the populace that there is a run on gun shops by angry mobs looking to shoot someone down.  It just isn’t true.
8.Ammunition Coding – Requires every manufacturer to code any ammunition for handguns and assault weapons. “Coded ammunition” means a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.  Most bullet makers aren’t going to make special New York bullets so the availability of ammuntion in the Empire State will decrease dramatically.  But hey, that’s pretty much the goal gun controllers are aiming for.
9. Mandatory Insurance For Gun Owners – Require persons owning a firearm (not defined in the bill), prior to ownership or within 30 days of enactment for current owners, to obtain a liability insurance policy with a limit of at least $250,000.   Failure to do so would result in the immediate revocation of the firearm owner’s registration, license and any other privilege to own a firearm.  Just look at the wording, PRIVILEGE.  That’s what gun controllers think that the right to keep and bear arms is…a privilege.  It’s not.  It’s a RIGHT.  And there is no voter insurance, because if there was a lot of Obama voters would owe me money. 
10. Reduces Pistol Permits from 5 years to 2 years –  Requires that all pistol permit licenses expire every two years. Note, pistol permits in New York were LIFETIME before the first SAFE ACT.  The Act made it 5 years and SAFE ACT 2 is looking to make it 2 years.  This is a money making scheme aimed to cash in while stripping the rights of the citizens.  A pro gun sheriff might retire and a gun control sheriff might take his place, in that case, when people pay the non refundable fee to renew their permit they can simply be told no.  It gives the state more opportunity to deny rights to its citizens while still making a fast buck.
There are some other points, expanding on penalties of SAFE ACT 1 and broadening terms therein but this is the meat and potatoes of what a Cuomo reelection will look like for the citizens of New York.  Apparently, SAFE Act 1 was only the prologue and SAFE Act 2 will be the further advancement of the radical gun control ideology that Gov Cuomo holds so dear.
To allow Gov. Cuomo to be reelected will be an injustice of the highest order.  But it is not only an injustice to New Yorkers but for all gun owners and those who believe in liberty in America.
To quote the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. (he himself a victim of gun control like the SAFE Act when he was denied a carry permit):
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
It is for this reason that, even though I am a Pennsylvanian,  I am taking a personal interest in supporting the man who has vowed to repeal the SAFE Act, not expand upon it.
Republican candidate for Governor, Rob Astorino:ce day one, going so far as filing an amicus brief in a federal challenge to th Act.
You can learn more about Astorino from his campaign website: robastorino.com
In this David vs Goliath story it is still a tough road to go since Cuomo’s war chest is being filled by the likes of Billionaire Michael Bloomberg, Shannon Watts, Sarah Brady and their gun control philistines as well as Cuomo raising substantial sums outside New York from Hollywood elitists.   If you want to help combat the SAFE Act in all its iterations and keep it from spreading to other states you can do so by go going to:

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Re: NYS SAFE ACT 2?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 09:41:41 AM »
This is old from 2014 or so.. Thanks .
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Re: NYS SAFE ACT 2?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2018, 10:41:35 AM »
Actually why I had question mark in subject... first I’ve heard of it and just recieved in an email this morning. (beers)

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Re: NYS SAFE ACT 2?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2019, 05:56:27 AM »

Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s extreme political agenda turns to guns next week as several gun control bills are being posted for the week of Jan. 28.  The first two weeks of session have gone by in a flurry as he has worked with the Legislature to quickly jam through several controversial issues.  The activity of recent weeks only telegraphs what gun owners can expect.  Every gun owner in the state should be contacting their lawmakers immediately!



It was six years ago that Cuomo declared the SAFE Act would make New Yorkers safer.  Over half a decade later, there is zero evidence the SAFE Act has done anything more than punish law-abiding gun owners.  During Cuomo’s tenure, nearly a million New Yorkers have left the state.  This latest push for more gun control laws is nothing more than a resounding indictment of the SAFE Act’s complete failure.  What has become abundantly clear is that this is nothing more than political pandering to his extreme anti-gun base.

Several bills are going to move next week which include an accessory ban, mandatory storage, and so-called “red flag” legislation, among others.

The bills posted for next week so far include:

S.1414 by Sen. Kevin Parker establishes certain crimes relating to the criminal possession or manufacture of an undetectable firearm, rifle or shotgun.  Undetectable guns have been illegal for 30 years.  Federal law passed in 1988 makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm.  This legislation essentially bans 3-D printing of firearms.  Again, there is zero evidence that criminals are using this expensive and complicated technology to manufacture firearms that are used in the commission of crimes.

S.2374 by Sen. Michael Gianaris extends the waiting period of NICS holds to 30 days.  Under current federal law, if a NICS check comes back inconclusive, dealers have three additional days before they can complete the transfer.  Someone who happens to have a common name like John Smith, is now forced to wait a full month.  This bill will have disastrous and potentially deadly consequences for some, including women who want to purchase a firearm to protect themselves against domestic abusers.

S.2448 by Sen. Luis Sepulveda prohibits the possession, manufacture, transport and disposition of “rapid-fire” modification devices.  This bill is poorly written and would ban a variety of legal firearm accessories, including many competition or aftermarket triggers.  It is also completely redundant and unnecessary as many of the covered accessories are already illegal under federal and state law.  Again, this is nothing more than political pandering and will do nothing to enhance public safety.

S.2450 by Sen. Liz Krueger relates to requirements for the safe storage of rifles, shotguns and firearms.  This mandatory storage law would do nothing more than render firearms useless in self-defense situations.  Criminals love this bill as it tips the scales in their favor in self-defense situations.

S.2451 by Sen. Brian Kavanaugh establishes extreme risk protection orders as a court-issued order of protection prohibiting a person from purchasing, possessing or attempting to purchase or possess a firearm, rifle or shotgun.  NRA opposes this legislation because it does not contain strong due process protections for respondents who could potentially lose the Second Amendment rights.  This legislation is perhaps one of the more dangerous in the package as it would become a widely used instrument to take away someone’s constitutional rights with little or no due process.   

Like the SAFE Act, this package of bills is going to be rammed through the process with no public hearing and little debate.  While these bills are the ones posted so far, even more anti-gun legislation could be added at any time, and NRA members should ask their legislators to OPPOSE all new gun control.

Please contact your state Senator and Assembly member and respectfully request that they oppose these bills.  New York has some of the most Draconian gun laws in the country.  Ironically, this wave of legislation comes on the heels of the U.S. Supreme Court’s recent announcement that they will hear a case from New York City and render a decision on the constitutionality of one of the city’s bizarre and punitive gun laws.  New York gun owners simply cannot afford to sit on the sidelines, your urgent help is needed.  Please contact your Senator and Assembly member immediately and assist NRA-ILA’s effort in Albany to defeat these Draconian and unnecessary gun bills.  ​
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Re: NYS SAFE ACT 2?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2019, 11:46:21 AM »
Our state is going down hill fast with this governor and the dems. FUAC !!!!!!! .:rifle:.

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Re: NYS SAFE ACT 2?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2019, 12:55:49 PM »
Love the outdoors of our state. sadly I can't wait to head for less liberal climates. 2024 or bust!
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2019, 02:00:12 PM »
The demographics of NYS are not friendly to gun owners, we are simply out numbered by those in the cities

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Re: NYS SAFE ACT 2?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2019, 10:07:58 PM »
The demographics of NYS are not friendly to gun owners, we are simply out numbered by those in the cities

Sadly, that is just not true my friend.
5.7 million nyers turned out to vote last November. There are approximately 4.5 million gun owners in NY.
Many, just don't care, or don't know the stakes.
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